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hello

sorry i am french and i don't speak netherland and i my english is soso

i have a french solex 45cc 1950 and i have a problem


to start when i finish the motor it is the carburator 7li (juste before the 6li)

the engine don't want the 22 so i have put a 28 with the same thread because it isn't the same as 3800 th 28

it works!! i have done 10min every days at 20km/h

and one day it don't want to start i have fuel to the spark plug and i have a spark so good!! and i try like that to a minus the 22 (his original one) and it goes again i was happy!!

and after few days the same thing i have a spark and fuel to go so i think the engine wants less fuel but i can't change the 22 i don't have less so i change this air calibrator



i put a bigger one better but it wasn't that i check the hole near 3mm so i do a nother with a 3800 air calibrator to preserve the 45cc original calibrator so i do a hole about 3.5 i can't do less a with this it work very good but on the starter but when i open the air it doesnt want so i must i think do a hole in a calibrator between 3mm ans 3.5mm

but it don't a things to do it... also i tried a screw split in the lengt it is a original i find on a 45cc engine) to put more air in the cylinder with the 3mm and it is going well on wheel but when i am on it i go at 15km/h



i want to know have you ideas to help me because it cames very difficult to me

the 7li is hard for me to run well the 6li is more easier


thanks

eric

if you don't understands word tell me

Hello Eric, I understand you have fuel leaking into the Spark plug, and you think it happens because of incomplete combustion. I believe that could be so, but are you sure that’s the main reason?
Did you check there is any dirt in the nozzle?

Zo, lekker internationaal hier

Petr

yes these carburetors are a bit problematic since they do not have the special knob to enrich or lean the fuel mixture.

Make sure you have the long pin mounted to hold the air filter, this pin is holow and tunes the mixing air to the fuel jet ( the "22" or "28)
make sure it is open on the top, there is a special nut wit splits in it that should allow the air in, if you cannot look thorugh the slits of the nut thne you need to put a washer under it to have the nut in a higher position

If the engine is old make sure it is clean on the inside, rust and dust will be there and destroy the eingine so one day it runs well and the other day it runs not well

hello

i have done the motor is clean my problem is the carburation


i dont think so you talking about this carburator??joan?if yes you think if i put it higher that can give me more air?

my problem when i am not on it it is going well but when i am on the engine doesn't want to run well? my spark plug is a champion L82C with 0.5mm also you use what? that can be also the problem?

i post here because i don't find lot of answer in france

thanks for your help

eric

"my problem when i am not on it it is going well but when i am on the engine doesn't want to run well? my spark plug is a champion L82C with 0.5mm also you use what? that can be also the problem?"


L82C is fine.

Did you check your exhaust system already? and the ignition timing?
Before making changes to the carburating systems, please check.

the exhaust is clean or you mean the thing to stop the engine?maybe i must try without to check i will look tomorow....

the ignition works properly when the markers coincide i trys with a little bit of late(after the macker) nothing good...

thanks

It is also possible that there is a leakage in the crankcase seal.
You can check this by looking at the role.
This is then greasy.

no thes isn't greasy no where about a little bit on the carburator because before i havn't screw well but now it is ok

thanks

eric

these engine were not very powerfull they did in between 15-20 Km/hr

try to run it with and without aiir filter and air filter dome but leave the long standing ( hollow) bolt in the centre where it is.
Try to dress the internal diameter by inserting the isolation of a household wire ( JUST STRIP IT TO HAVE THE INSULATION AVAILABLE AS A PLASTIC TUBE)

hello

i try today without the filter it doesn't want

i try a 28 one and it runs very well so i go little bit far at my home and when i want to return i decompress a little bit and after nothing i played with the starter i open and close i open i close to the motor can run a little bit

at home i think it was the condensator when it is hot so i put a electronique one i have a bigger light blue at the spark plug

so it will be maybe a fuel problem i must check again maybe there is not a lot to come? i tryed also when the engine cold it don't want to start again.....

thanks

Hello , are you sure that the decompression -valve is closing well ??
Once , I had the same problem , there was a spark between the ignition-coil and the flywheel (the motor was warm)
Cordialement ...

no i have forgotten to try !!

i will check tommorow

thanks


eric

thank you for your help it is working well on the flat it goes a 21 22 after that when the road going down a little bit it work on 4 time but it is normal with carburator some people says me that

i will do a video when it is running!!

http://youtu.be/OK40IbZoazE

http://youtu.be/xYz8bUPYwIU

he goes fast now!!!!

25 km/h, on a flat road? What is is the rest telling on the display?

yes 25 on the flat!! before the 4 time was at 23 now 25!! generaly i am at 23 24

my 45 has just 2100 km so it is quitely new

Congratulations! Maybe when it's windy, you still get a 20km/h. I have also a speed problem with my black 'n Roll; I wonder what it could be, have to make time for it.

Bon chance Eric!

black n roll has some problem first thing put of the electronique ignition and put one of a 3800 ignition with a electronique condensator or maybe the screw of the clutch isnt screwed well?

I hope it's because of "la bougie". The problem started with a malfunction of the gas mechanic system. Before that everything was going well. Maybe it's the compression... At the moment it's hard to find out, I left my B'n R in an other town.

you speak french? i try not one but 3 fuc** bnr electronick ignition

the problem after a while the ignition comes late and you can do nothing because you can't ajust it and you can't start it or it is doing strange noise

if you don't want problem take away this rubish!! and put a original ignition of a 3800

Yes I do, but there’s too much hair on my French, and when it becomes to a technical conversation, I get really nervous.

I hear those things here more often about the BnR. The question is, what not to replace? One thing I must admit, it keeps the hobby alive.

because it was the union of europe of certification CE like the tambour at the front wheel and a metal tank not a plastique one

Are they selling well in France? They've got assembled in France, manufactured in China. Unfortunately is the material from minor quality.

no not very good we have a lot of old 3800 aswell the compagny MOPEX(bnr) has shut his door on the first february

This is really sad news for us Black ’n Rollers, and for all us Solex fiends, now they were seeking for better quality. I guess this will be also the end for the Mopelex.

http://www.societe.com/societe/mopex-435353867.html

http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/Locales/Lens/...-de-mopex.shtml

" LE GALET" will build the mopelex and the harlex without MOPEX

for the mopelex it will be come on the market this year!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYnOYUy-xoA

But before their bankruptcy did they cooperate?

I'm looking forward they'll be available in the Benelux.

Er hangen wel erg veel hamers aan zijn werkbank, sleuteltje negen niet gezien, zijn electra in de schuur is houwtje touwtje en de demo van de electrische Mopelex laat zien hoe groot de slag in het achterwiel is.

Zo te zien is er ook precies 1 van

evengoed is het idee heel goed.
Het probleem met electrische fietsen is de kleine actieradius.
Dat is hiermee opgelost.
ik weet niet of de accu door de solex motor ook wordt opgeladen, dan zou het helemaal mooi zijn.
met de jerrybaby als model voor de accu is een mooie vondst.

Als ze voor niet te geld te koop zouden zijn dan is hier zeker een markt voor. (denk ik)

Prachtig wat die man maakt.

Die van jouw zijn minstends net zo mooi, maar of die man commercieel haalbare producten kan levern in voldoende aantallen ? ik heb zo mijn bedenkingen.
neem nou onze Tomos uit epe, daar was men professioneel bezig,
wilde ook aan solex beginnen
is ook niet van de grond gekomen, zelfs heel Tomos weg.

Komt dat misschien omdat de scooter nogal in de mode is??

Tomos is in mijn ogen een van de beste snorfietsen ooit gemaakt.

En vergeet puch maxi niet

Vind het hele leuke solexen hoor met veel eigen details. Die schijremmen vind ik ook mooi. Eigen stikkers enzo. Een echte hobbyist.

it is a society LE GALET and will sell the mopelex at 1750 euros but the only problem he isn't in france but in corse and i don't know how he will take the thermical engine if mopex shut

China??
Or : Made in Holland

Holland.

Omdat er daar (in china) ook komplete blokjes gemaakt zijn maar van "mindere" kwaliteit , zie gebroken blokje van Pierre.
Hier , in nederland worden carters gefreesd , krukassen gedraaid , nieuwe cilinders geleverd , rollen gemaakt , enzv. , enzv.
Kortom , hier worden ook nieuwe motoren gebouwd maar dan met goed materiaal.
Wat dat betreft, als iemand de "niewe solex" wil bouwen , dan zijn er motoren te verkrijgen .
Er zit wel eenprijskaartje aan .

"De slag in het wiel" kan ook een optisch effect van de buitenband zijn.
Een hamertje ... ja, maar waarvoor zijn al die schoenen in het rek?

Holand dus, zit een foutje in zijn programmering van het letterapparaat

Ik heb er 1 toegestuurd gekregen zaten de gaten voor de frictieplaten niet in, makkelijk zelf aan te brengen overigens

na nog eens kijken: zit die "i" van "in" er nou wel of niet in ?

Klopt wel het is het letter type.

Misschien werkte er een Chinees die niet spellen kan.

ja hoor word echt gemaakt in holand of te wel in berghem bij oss
door mij zelf zie www.solexteamberghem.nl/dus geemn chinees wat ik wel eens lust hihi gr ferry

Het ziet er in ieder geval goed uit

my second 45cc works

http://youtu.be/Ut_ZvZxXDVY

i will never have problem now with the tank with deposit of rust

i don't know if you have a similar product in NL but it is a very good product to preserve your tank and to drive without problems in the long time

some photos
http://innocenti-de-france.bbgraf.com/t3082-restauration-reservoir-essence

and where you can found it
http://www.restom.net/traitements-reserv...uperkit-134.htm

also i found a REGLEX used for 45cc carburation

Chemical cleaning of the tank is easier to do than doing it the old fashioned way.
The protective layer is it a kind of plastic?
I think most of the folks here rather tread their tank with tin. Maybe because of tin fits more by an old timer?
I wonder, except of practical reason, if there is any advantage.

you must do a chemical clean before it is inclued with the pack and after you put 2 things to gever it has the touch like araldite when it is dry https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCw6SYNeBcW6y8Y6wDIKKKhIy9TiDDcZnIq-7303kB033rkepvqA

the rust doesn't come again!!

When the tank is clean you put on the product that will prevent the tank against rust. I try to imagine how it works. When it is dry does it become a plastic coating, and how long will it last? Could you explain how to make an equal protection layer in the tank? I’ve red that some of those coatings come off after a while. I suppose this “Restom” will stay for long, will it?
Tin will stay on it forever; the problem is you have to open the tank to bring it on.

Hello AlienSolexfriend,

Yes, the product Eric is talking about is the Restom or CureTank way, and is available as a kit.

It happens in several steps: pour a deruster, a degreaser, then the resin. To equally lay it the into the tank, you need to turn it several times all way round on itself.
It stops leaks too by filling the holes (if they're not too big ;-)

Now, as resin, you may use 2 components Araldite "Slow" glue diluted with acetone, but the walls of the tank must be rust & grease free to avoid peeling.

You're right, applying tin requires to open the tank. But in most cases, it anyway needs to be opened to remove dents, and rust as tin don't stick on a rusty or greasy surface.

Also, a special tin pasta exists for those applications, applied with a brush and then heated with an air gun, the result is astonishing and will last for a very long time.

Both methods are interesting, it's up to you for the one you choose for ...

Jan-Peer

Hello Jan-Peer

Thank you for the good explanation. It's how I supposed that it is.
It concerned me because I had noticed that the opening of my Black ‘n Roll’s metal fuel tank is slightly oxidised, so I thought the whole tank was rusty. Fortunately the inside is not oxidised (yet). When I bring my finger in, it feels smooth. Maybe I should take precautions and start the treatment now the tank still is free of rust and dents.

Problem with Black and Roll tanks is that it is china made and not soldered together like the original solex ones, their parts are welded together and cannot be opened

One cannot say it isn’t strong built.

when i do my 45cc i dont open it but i protect the fuel pipe? sorry it isn't the good word i put a brake cable in and i put dough joined in the thread

but a bnr tank it isn't useful to do the treatment but you can if you want use to degrease with hyydroxide of sodium wtih water and after clean it with lot of water and dry it with a hair dryer i don't think it can be rusty now but with chinease it can be possible (joke)

the bnr it is a shame do say that but the bnr is rubish all pieces aren't done well and some after change supplier too! you can't drive whith out troubles if you like troubles take you 45cc but it isn't troubles of the parts of the engine

one bnr on a french forum has lots of pieces of 3800 because it hasn't done well same form the brakes has broken!! it is very sad because it was renaissance of the velosolex !! the better now it is a french 3800 or nl one

The low cost construction has always being a main factor in the concept of a Solex, and to that point the manufacture of the BnR has been faithful to this ideal. I agree the quality isn’t what it should be, but then again it’s what you could expect from a thousand euro moped nowadays. I really do hope they’ll come out again of the factory one day, this time as a “Solid ‘n Roll”.

Yes it seems to be quid a problem those brakes and bearings; I’ve got my retour de frein also broken.
I knock on wood, still haven’t major problems with the engine so far.

And thanks for the tip Eric, but I don’t understand what you mean; why isn’t it useful to tread the BnR tank?

it is a new tank... it can't be rusty yet ?? and i don't know it is the same thing like the 3800

you have a plastique filter in and after the fuel pipe like the 3800? if yes it can be possible (the better way it is some pictures to be shore.)

to start:

before you must be able to put of easier the filter (just take of and take in several times to be shore for after)

to put of the filter, i use a wood screw. I screw LITTLE bit not a lot lot when it is quite hard you take a pliers and pull the screw and normaly the filter has gone with the wood screw


and also you will need a new filter because we will use the filter to stop the resine and to be the safest possible try to put some thing in the filter a piece of cable you can pull on it with your hand to be shore the resin doesn't go outside


if you are ready you use a kit restom :

before the resin(inclued with the resin)
-degresase and clean it with lot of water and dry with hair dryer

-after a product to put of the rust and clean it with lot of water and dry with hair dryer

- mix for 10 15 minutes the 2 products to do the resin and do that when it is sunny and 20 25 degreas out side (if you have sun in nl ) because it will be longer to dry )and after that you can put the resine in and you turn and turn everywhere in the tank (without his plug)be careful to don't put some resine in the plug thread but bnr it is a outside thread no?

and when it starts to be hard (the resin stop moving in) put of the cable and put of the filter because there will be some resine on it and take an other filter to put in, overwhise the resine can go in filter compartment if isn't quite dry and it will be difficult to put of when it is completely dry (check every 30 minutes the new filter hasn't stick with the resin just turn sometimes and screw the fuel pipe to check it is ok as well

because if one day you want to take of the filter it will be very difficult, it is this step you must be very very careful!!! and check you havn't put some resin in the thread of the fuel pipe

i will process like that

if you don't find every spare parts there is this shop i think it can delever you http://www.toutdechine.com/014/products.php

eric

Mmmh … eventually it might not be so useful to treat a BnR tank, I‘ll consider it.
Thanks!

yes you are right it is not useful but for old solex it is quite useful to do it is a big problem gone

best regards


eric

also a 45cc can ride more whithout problems than your bnr but i like your determination you can do it!!! but lots of thing to do on it. like all the thread engine i think ...

also on last sunday we have done in france at caen a trip with old solex 45cc 330 ... 1400 and also they were some solex with clutch

a nice day but not very sunny in the afternoon we had a big rain and has give lots of problem on the ignition specialy the 330 and 660

there were a nl 45c solex and a swiss 45cc amazing to find on the same trip










and my 2 solex 45 cc

I see that you also have to wear a helmet on the Solex in France. Nice pictures of the 45 cc’s. a pity the weather wasn’t so good.

yes in france all engine on a cycle we must put a helmet

Here in Belgium we must wear a motor helmet on a 25km/h moped. I think it is a bit odd on a Solex. Imagine bicycle racers wearing a motor helmet, their speed is more than twice faster.

Dag allemaal,

A week after the trip in Normandy, Eric took a ride from Alençon to Pluvigner with his 45cc from 1948. A short trip of about ... 300km!

Eric hit the road on monday as from 5 am, it took him about 16 hours to reach his destination, welcomed by our friend Ronan. No major problem was reported, only lost his reserve pants from the lugagge rack ;-)

After a few fine-tuning of the damned 7Li carburetor and a short night of sleep he's actually on the way back home.

Here are a few pictures of this reckless friend, let's wish him a troublefree trip.

Een week na de gebeurtenis in Normandie heeft Eric een reis van Alençon naar Pluvigner met zijn 45cc uit 1948 gedaan. Een klein trip van ca .. 300 km!

Al op de baan op maandag om 5 uur 's morgens, na 16 uur rijden was hij tot bestemming gekomen bij onze vriend Ronan. Geen grote probleem vermeld, alleen een reserve broek uit de bagagerek kwijt ;-)

Na afstelling van de vervloekt 7Li carburateur en een korte slaap is hij nu al op de weg terug naar huis.

Hierbij zijn er enkele foto's, laat ons deze roekeloos vriend een goede reis wensen.

JanPeer



Pictures (c) Ronan

Geweldige prestatie van Eric en de 45cc natuurlijk.
Als ik het terug reken dan heeft hij met een gemiddelde van ruim 27km/uur gereden !!!!
Dat is zéér snel.

Hoi,

Een beetje minder Ronald, heenrit 18-19 km/u gemiddeld.

Vertrokken van Pluvigner om 5u50, om 13u18 was hij al te Janzé, ca 130km gereden, dus een beetje meer dan 17km/u. Er zijn veel bergen in zuid Bretagne richting Rennes, wat een uitleg kan zijn.

Ik weet niet als hij zijn reserve broek al teruggevonden heeft ;-)

Stay tuned ...

JanPeer

Edit: 14h51 was hij te Vitré. 29km in 95 minuten dus 18,7km/u gemiddeld. Nog een beetje meer dan 100km te rijden ...

Je hebt gelijk , heb verkeerd gelezen ,ik dacht dat hij om 16 uur aankwam maar de rit duurde 16 uur .
Das toch anders.
Al met al ,toch een hele prestatie

Twee dagen een ritje van 16 uur op de Solex dat is inderdaad een opmerkelijk knappe prestatie.
Je lui souhaite un bon retour.

Goedenavond,

Eric is terug thuis na 14u30 op de baan en enkele haltes.

Hij is nu aan rusten omdat hij moet morgen al terug gaan werken.

Ongeloofelijk Eric! Proficiat!

Deze artikeltje uit de magazine Op de Solex - september 1951 heeft hem deeltelijk geinspireerd:


JanPeer

Als hij het kan horen: luid applaus van hier uit.
schitterende prestatie! dat zijn de mannen van ijzer en benzine

Fantastisch, dat Eric dit met een 62 jaar oude Solex doet!

Ja leuk dit soort acties daar hou ik van, er zijn artikelen dat men op de solex naar italie gaat....met een peperbusje...poepoe

RESPECT inderdaad

Deze jongens leggen ook grote afstanden af met hun S5000.

Ik had hem al eens gezien. Die kerels gaan maar door. Gewldig he. Wat een slechte wegen onderweg zeg. Ik blijf hier maar rijden tenminste goede fietspaden en veiliger. Een hele mooie prestatie. Niet alleen zijn band was op maar ook zijn schoen met al dat water erin. Tof gewoon.

En hoe kleiner de wielen, hoe vlugger de banden verslijten.

Het zijn geen onbekenden hier op het forum. Hun volgende trip zou bestemming Moscou worden...

Dat is inderdaad een mooie prestatie van Eric.

Janpeer, ik heb nog even verder gekeken bij de foto's die op ZIMAGEZ staan en zag dat je een aantal mooie detailfoto's er op hebt gezet (bij VSX4716) .
Deze onder andere :

Hierbij viel mij de aanslag op ,zodat het stuur niet te ver naar links kan draaien.
Ook leuk : de Pegasus brug , zijn wij afgelopen jaar ook geweest , maar dan zonder Solex.
Wel een bak koffie (Bier??) gedronken in die Museumkroeg .

thanks every one i have done nearly 300 km on 16h because i was lost and the overside i have done it with 273 km on 14.30

the plan : http://goo.gl/maps/vcbg

i have done a little modification to don't broke my parts of my 45cc

i used parts of 3800


and pictures taken in my travel











and things particulary JanPeer will be interest (i will do a email in this week because i worked and i have done a trip to the ile de Ré but on 3800 and i have lots a thing do to in my garden)

i have just broken a cylinder head screws and the decompression stem


my spark color



and over thing this one the stone was paste with aradite

no problem


and my tire on this trip i lost nearly 0.5 mm and it was dry on the road

i think, it was because i was carrying lot of things on it.

The wheel before the trip don't look used for normal utilisation i have done more than 350 km

it is shame i don't take a picture of my tires in the beginning and also the next time i will do a video and more pictures

but the trip was very nice also a little bite sportive but not a lot i thought